Talk:List of countries by GDP (nominal)

2021 IMF Nominal GDP of Pakistan, source?

The "IMF, World Economic Outlook Database, October 2021" does not give a Nominal GDP figure for Pakistan in 2021, at least in terms of the relatively stable American dollar. The Nominal GDP figure is however given in American dollars for 2020, and it is much lower than 347 billion, at 261 billon and 726 million dollars. Where is the source for the 347 billion dollar figure currently quoted for Pakistan in that IMF dataset, and if there really is a source why isn't it highlighted in the table somewhere relevant so that it can be then checked up on for its reliability?

"Economies" vs. "Countries"

I came to this article hoping to compare EU vs. US & China, but saw that the EU is not included. The consensus in the Talk page seems to be that technically the EU is not a country, which of course true. But in that case could I suggest that page should be consistent and the chart titled "Largest economies in the world by GDP" should be titled "Largest countries in the world by GDP"? The EU may not be a country, but it definitely is an economy.

Also pragmatically speaking I would argue that while the EU is indeed not a country, a significant portion of the people interested in comparing global GDP's will care more about comparing EU with US and others, more than comparing France / Germany / etc individually. So as a wikipedia reader (not an editor or moderator) I would argue that the article is overall more useful to the target audience if you include it rather than exclude it. 178.51.62.213 (talk) 19:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

We wont just change the longstanding title for fitting individuls' request, if several previous discussions has concluded the consensus which is to remain the status quo of "countries list" rather than other decision only for including the EU, we should respect that result instead of making exception. Sheherherhers (talk) 03:45, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Considering the current geopolitical developments it is becoming more and more obvious that the economic coherency and interdependency of the EU vis-a-vis other nations warrants its own unique entry into the list. For many people in the world - I would argue at least the 450 million living in the EU - this is information they are looking for and I think it is all the more relevant now to include the EU as a separate entity in the list. Mind you, nation states / countries are constructs as well just as much as the EU is. 77.72.237.226 (talk) 15:49, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

You cannot understand the European economy without the EU Single Market, which is why major data provider, like the IMF include it even if it is not a from a single sovereign entity. Why is Wikipedia excluding important data points from the source data, just because they do not fit arbitrary definitions? 185.143.182.35 (talk) 21:09, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

To add to that: Contrary to above statement it is also inconsistent with other very similar Wikipedia pages. The "List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita", linked at the beginning of this article, does include non-sovereign entities like the European Union, marked as such, in line with the source data. 185.143.182.22 (talk) 21:18, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 January 2025

I would like to propose a set of edits for the Wikipedia page titled "List of countries by GDP (nominal)." The purpose of these edits is to enhance the page’s accuracy, improve its readability, and ensure that the data presented is up-to-date. The changes are aimed at improving the overall quality of the page for readers, making it more comprehensive and aligned with the most recent information. Gustavomanb (talk) 12:40, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

We can review the proposed edits to make sure the data is verified to reliable sources and complies with the Manual of Style. You'll need to present the specific requests here. —C.Fred (talk) 12:43, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 January 2025 (2)

i request to edit the following: 1- Yemen GDP for IMF from 16,940 (2024) to 12.22 (2025)

2- Yemen DDP for World Bank estimate 21.61 Year 2018. Haithmgarallah (talk) 14:06, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: no mention of either "12.22" or "2025" in the cited source. M.Bitton (talk) 14:31, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 15 January 2025

Change IMF projection of Philippines GDP for 2025 to 507.67 Billion USD as per https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Philippines Carlo Ipac (talk) 21:46, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

 Done EvergreenFir (talk) 22:10, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

Iran ranked 4th in terms of nominal GDP in 2025?

Upon reviewing the GDP forecast table on Wikipedia, we have identified a significant anomaly. The table ranks Iran as the world’s third-largest economy in 2025, surpassing nations like Germany, Japan, and India. This ranking appears to be a data entry error or a miscalculation, as it contradicts estimates from reputable sources like the IMF, World Bank, and United Nations.

The GDP forecast for Iran in 2025 is listed as 7,121,000 million USD, which is drastically higher than its 2023 estimate of 401,505 million USD (World Bank). This suggests a typographical mistake or a misplaced decimal point.

If different sources use varying GDP measurement methodologies (nominal vs. PPP), it may lead to misclassification in rankings.

Your attention to this matter is greatly appreciated to ensure the reliability of economic information on Wikipedia.

Best regards 141.37.164.97 (talk) 07:30, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

Map colours

My apologies for bringing up a minor issue! However, why does Crimea have the wrong colour? I would greatly appreciate it if someone could change it Unikumello (talk) 09:03, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

Add Eurozone (or the European Union as a whole) for reference too?

As many European countries share the same currency (Eurozone), or are part of a single market (European single market/European Economic Area, which also including some non EU member countries) having just the individual European countries in comparison to e.g. the United States feels a bit misleading. Especially because the rules of these treaties contain rules enabling free movement of persons, goods, services, and capital within the entire European single market, including the freedom to choose residence in any country within this area.

Therefore individual GDP is kinda irrelevant in a world wide comparison. It also causes this list to be misleading to the average reader as it basically is an apples and oranges comparing right now. Or to put it in other words it is kinda like we'd list all of the US member states individually but not the UNITED States of America as a whole. Also as the article already states "including sovereign states not part of the IMF, non-sovereign nations and territories, and countries with limited recognition" we do not even have to have an argument about technicalities like what counts as a country or what does being sovereign mean. From an economic point of view for a world wide comparison the GDP of individual treaty members doesn't matter at all (well at least not if that treaty combines them to a single market with all of the above freedoms and possibilities). Kinda like compare the GDP of e.g. California with Florida, or USA with EEA is meaningful but comparing Florida with China, or USA with Germany is not.

Furthermore the literal definition of GDP itself also supports my proposal: "Gross domestic product (GDP) is a monetary measure of the total market value of all the final goods and services produced and rendered in a specific time period by a country or countries. GDP is often used to measure the economic performance of a country or region."

So what do you all think? And does anything speak against adding economic areas to the list? I currently don't see how we could get a meaningful apples-to-apples comparison without it. Agowa (talk) 12:27, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

This comes up every now and again, if you read through the old discussions you'll see the arguements from both sides. The consensus is the EU isn't a country. 0123Qwerty3210 (talk) 11:16, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Indeed it's not a country, but I would support adding the EU (or rather, the European single market, given that it functions as a single economy. What this and similar articles try to achieve is measuring macro economies. Most of the time they correspond to countries, but the EU is a counterexample. isacdaavid 18:11, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

European Union

There has been much discussion about whether the European Union should be included. The debate seems to revolve around terminology—specifically, the claim that the EU is not a "country." However, this approach misses the point.

The primary sources referenced in this table include the EU in their lists. Wikipedia, as a secondary source, is not a platform for original research. If the article main sources list the EU, Wikipedia should not arbitrarily alter their content, even with a disclaimer.

If you believe the EU should not be included, the appropriate course of action would be to contact institutions such as the IMF, World Bank, and CIA to request its removal from their lists.

Remember, Wikipedia is neither a high court nor are Wikipedians its jury. Our role is not to determine whether the EU should be included, but simply to verify whether it is recognized by authoritative sources. --Trek00 (talk) 16:55, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

With all due respect, the IMF can include data about any combination of countries or common markets that it so chooses, but that doesn't mean that in a Wikipedia article *created to compare countries to one another* that non-countries need to be included. Speaking of the IMF, please note that it does not include the EU when providing economic data about countries (see [1]), and has a separate listing with datasets for "country areas," such as "Advanced economies," "Euro area," "G7," "Other advanced economies," "European Union," "ASEAN-5," "Emerging market and developing economies," "Sub-Saharan Africa," etc.

Are you seriously saying that it is "original research" for a Wikipedia article whose very title specifies that it lists "countries" by nominal GDP to exclude "country areas" that are not countries? And, if so, could you explain how is it not "original research" on your part to advocate for adding the EU to the Wikipedia article listing nominal GDP by country while excluding other "country areas" that the IMF treats exactly the same as the EU, such as "G7," "ASEAN-5," "Emerging market and developing economies," "Sub-Saharan Africa," etc.?

You are welcome to create articles with nominal GDP, PPP GDP, per capita nominal GDP and per capita PPP GDP for "country areas" and to include data for the EU and other similar country groupings, such as G7, ASEAN-5 and the others listed by the IMF. But don't try to stick the EU where it doesn't belong, much less accuse editors of engaging in "original research" for knowing what a country is and what a country isn't. AuH2ORepublican (talk) 18:27, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Please calm down; this is not a conflict, and I haven't accused anyone. I have merely expressed my opinions on this topic.

I believe it is misleading to focus on terminology and other technicalities. Firstly, although the article's title includes the word "countries," there is no universally agreed-upon definition of what constitutes a country. Secondly, the table description explicitly states that it ranks each IMF member including sovereign states not part of the IMF, non-sovereign nations and territories, and countries with limited recognition. Please do not modify the article to remove this description.

As you can see, the list already includes numerous non-sovereign states. For instance, Hong Kong has ceased to exist as an independent entity since decades. I have no intention of removing it, nor have I removed any other countries or territories from the list. My only contribution was adding the European Union, which was missing.

Let's stay focused on the key point: we are not economists, and we cannot speculate on the reasons why the source's authors included the EU. Removing elements from a list that is directly sourced from an authoritative reference constitutes original research. Such modifications reflect personal opinions and interpretations rather than those of the original authors. --Trek00 (talk) 20:18, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

I am calm. You, on the other hand, are lecturing editors about how it is "original research" to exclude the EU from the article, and stating that, in order to exclude it, editors should contact the IMF, etc. and ask it to remove the EU from its website. You also are repeating the false statement that the IMF lists the EU as a "country," even after I pointed out that the IMF did not include it in its list of "countries" and instead included it in its "country areas" along with "Advanced economies," "Euro area," "G7," "Other advanced economies," "European Union," "ASEAN-5," "Emerging market and developing economies," "Sub-Saharan Africa," etc., all of which are multinational groups that are excluded from the Wikipedia article for the same reason that the EU is excluded.

The Wikipedia article lists the same countries as does the IMF, which is why territories that are not sovereign, such as Hong Kong, are included. The IMF includes it in its list of "countries," so Wikipedia does the same. What you wish to do is to take the EU, which the IMF does *not* list alongside countries, and pull it from the IMF's list of "country areas" and including it in the Wikipedia article on *countries* while simultaneously excluding from such article the other dozen or so multinational groups that the IMF lists as "country groups." It is you, not the dozens (if not hundreds) of editors who have contributed to this and similar articles over the past decade, who would engage in original research by turning the EU into a "country" when the IMF states that it isn't one and that would treat the EU differently from the Eurozone, Sub-Saharan Africa, etc. when the IMF deems all of them to be "country areas."

As I said earlier, feel free to create articles listing nominal GDP, PPP GDP, per capita nominal GDP and per capita PPP GDP for "country areas" and to include data for the EU and other similar country groupings, such as G7, ASEAN-5 and the others listed by the IMF. Doing that, and limiting the articles listing nominal GDP, PPP GDP, per capita nominal GDP and per capita PPP GDP for countries to the entities listed by the IMF as "countries," would be respectful of the categories into which the IMF groups economies and there would be no "original research" of any kind. But the IMF is not grouping the EU with countries, and neither should Wikipedia. AuH2ORepublican (talk) 21:06, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

I hope others will join the discussion. Until then, I will refrain from further replies—not because a consensus has been reached, but to avoid making the thread unnecessarily long, as this might discourage participation from others. Additionally, it seems that we have already expressed our opinions clearly.

Just a quick clarification: I never claimed that the IMF lists the EU as a country. My point is that removing an element from a list—when the list is the sole content provided by the source and constitutes the main subject of this article—amounts to original research.

Moreover, when I refer to sources, I am not only speaking about the IMF, but also the World Bank, CIA, and the UN. Among these, only the UN does not list the EU, and this absence is accurately reflected as missing data in the article’s table. --Trek00 (talk) 21:51, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

You wrote "My point is that removing an element from a list—when the list is the sole content provided by the source and constitutes the main subject of this article—amounts to original research." So how is it not "original research" for you to "remove" "Advanced economies," "Euro area," "G7," "Other advanced economies," "ASEAN-5," "Emerging market and developing economies," "Sub-Saharan Africa," etc. -- all of which the IMF lists alongside the EU as "country areas" on its website -- from the "List of countries by GDP (nominal)" when you advocate for the addition of non-country EU but not for the addition of any of the other non-countries listed (as "country areas," not "countries") by the IMF? You don't have to answer yet if you don't want to (and I agree that this should be a discussion among all editors, not merely a dialogue), but I don't see how you can add the EU based on its IMF listing but not add "Sub-Saharan Africa" and the other country groups listed alongside it by the IMF. AuH2ORepublican (talk) 22:20, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

While the IMF does have the EU data, importantly it lists this data in a separate spreadsheet. Recognizing the inherent difference between the EU as an international institution and a list of countries. 0123Qwerty3210 (talk) 12:07, 17 April 2025 (UTC)